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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 1, 2011 10:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's up with all the September '69 AUD?

You think those Fillmore East & Cafe a Go Go tapes were made onstage? By the band, perhaps? I don't think so.... I don't think any audience member would dare try an onstage taping at the Fillmore - and at the Cafe, the back wall wasn't that far back from the stage anyway so it would hardly make a difference (even if the band permitted it). In small clubs like the Cafe, the vocals tended to be low anywhere in the club, due to being drowned out by the loud amps. Perhaps we can try a sound analysis sometime....

There's not that many Floyd AUDs from '68/69 (mainly sounding pretty poor), but in parallel with the Dead, a lot of Floyd tapers start showing up in 1970 as their popularity booms, so there are plenty of Floyd AUDs that year.
I think there are a few reasons for there being relatively more early Floyd AUDs - one, they were more popular than the Dead. Also, they played more shows in Europe, where there were a LOT more tapers in '70 than in America (and usually with better equipment, too). Also, Floyd tapes had a much better chance of being circulated - whereas Dead tapes, no one would want them except other Dead collectors!

And European audiences did tend to be quieter & more "respectful" perhaps...but I think Floyd audiences, wherever they were, before Dark Side were always quieter than Dead audiences. I mean, you can hear a pin drop during a lot of those jams, and then polite applause at the end of each tune like they're classical pieces....amazing. Dead audiences were partiers, but I think the Floyd crowds were the REALLY stoned ones....

And "Dead bootleg" is almost an oxymoron....well, not really, I've seen some, and there were some famous vinyl Dead boots in the '70s; but nothing like the flood of Floyd boots recycling the same old tapes over & over. That's what you get when you're one of the biggest bands in the world! Floyd, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Dylan, Beatles, I think are the Big 5 for bootlegs (haven't looked that up though...maybe the Stones or Springsteen are up there).
[EDIT - OK, looks like it's actually Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, Dylan, Springsteen.]
Anyway, by the time CDs came in Dead fans tended not to be the best market for boots, despite their numbers, due to so many free tapes...

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Poster: Jim F Date: Sep 2, 2011 10:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's up with all the September '69 AUD?

I made the "onstage" comment based on the vocals (or lack of, rather), indeed. I dunno, my post wasn't very thought out or researched by any means. But upon checking out Deadlists, I think I know where I had the idea planted in my head. From the info for 9/30/69...

"The tape in circulation is an excellent AUD with a bad vocals mix; probably it was made with mics either on stage or on the stage rail and poorly placed in relation to vocals monitors."

That must be why I made the comment. I really haven't listened to anything from that period in quite a while, last thing I can remember pulling out was the jam with DTRag and The Seven, that had to have been some months back. It's got me wanting to dig in there a little. Especially the Fillmore East set from 9/26, the Dark Star>>>King Bee set. Again, it's been a while, but I remember finding that one pretty interesting as well as listenable.

As for the Floyd/GD etc taper thing, I've been typing all night and really don't feel like diving back into that one at the moment. My hands hurt lol. But believe me, I could say more and wish I were up to it.

Oh but quickly, yeah, I always found it to be fact that there were a lot more tapers in Europe in the 70's than in America. That's what bummed me out about one of my favorite bands, Queens of the Stone Age. They recently did a big tour to celebrate the remaster/re-release of their first album, where they played the album in it's entirety, along with other old classics of theirs. Twas truly a dream come true for Queens fans.

Anyway they've always been really pro-taping. Pretty much all the American dates were taped and easily found during the tour, usually within a few days of the show. Except the show I saw, of course, where I was to my knowledge the only taper, but naturally I had some technical problems and the recording turned out unlistenable! Dammit! But anyway their European dates are a lot harder to find, seems nobody is taping them over there. And they have a big following outside the states, too. Seems opposite of how I've always felt about tapers. It did seem to be bigger in Europe in it's early days, but it seems Europe has lost it's way in the taper world. But don't listen to me, I'm just some random dude.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Sep 3, 2011 1:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What's up with all the September '69 AUD?

You're right that 9/30 sure sounds like a stage mike - excellent quality for a '69 AUD, it's even in stereo!
(Ironically, all the reviews for it on the Archive complain about how awful the sound is....what dummies.)

9/26 is a typically awful Fillmore East recording. The 9/27 Fillmore tape sounds much better & clearer - wish it had sounded like that the night before!
9/29 is similar to 9/30 in having the low vocals, but otherwise much worse sound.... The tape lineage probably doesn't help, but you can tell the 9/29 taper is farther away from the amps. (Check out the huge difference in drum sound.) Fortunately it's still listenable!